I just spent the last week in 2003. For a moment, somewhere around noon on Saturday I believe, it even felt a little like 2005.
My little real estate world is but a small subset of the bigger picture, and maybe it’s not indicative of the broader national market or even the regional San Diego market at all. But maybe it is. In any event, this past week, which for me consisted of 10-hour work days, more than one incident of the dreaded dead cell phone battery and so many pizza delivery orders that the driver ultimately just pitched a tent in our front yard, took the wind out of my sails.
You see, ever since returning from the Inman Real Estate Connect conference in New York a few weeks ago, I had been planning on sharing the bar-the-barn-door, sobering Cliffs Notes of Robert Shiller’s presentation. Bob Shiller, you may recall, is one of the Case-Shiller Home Price Indices twins. Their monthly indices report changes in home values for the major national markets using a repeat, or “matched pairs,” sales pricing technique. He is also an economics professor and noted author. To a left-brain real estate broker, watching Mr. Shiller speak is as much a thrill as a trip to Yummy Yogurt is to my daughters. In other words, it is huge.
Now, Mr. Shiller’s brain lives in a different dimension than mine, but every time he said something I could sort of understand, I scribbled it down on my complimentary Marriott notepad. Given that the room was dark and I couldn’t find my glasses at the time, I now doubt he really said, “We need government intervection to dress pessicism” but here is what I am able to decipher.
- He sees the ultimate cause of our current (housing, banking, economic) crisis as complacency. We were told, and we came to believe, that another “rare” event like the Great Depression could never repeat.
- He used the “D” word unapologetically, and said that we could be heading for a depression (if we aren’t, in fact, living one).
- He said that all of the fancy mathematical models being tossed about to predict bottoming of housing prices and recovery timing are flawed. They are flawed in that they neglect to take into account that event of rarity (insert “D” word).
- He noted that while the stock market recently saw losses of close to 50%, the Great Depression saw market losses of 80%. And he pondered, “That’s what I’m worried about. Maybe it’s not over yet.”
- The boom was psychological, Mr. Shiller said. We were not rational. It was a social epidemic that is now being corrected. As he so eloquently put it, “We all need psychotherapy.”
He went on to talk about big, economist-guy ideas like housing hedge funds and continuous work-out mortgages, but I know my limitations, so I won’t venture there. What I will tell you that this is a guy that can suck the air from a room of people who make a living in real estate.
And then I came back to San Diego, and I was reminded of the tired “real estate is local” mantra. Admittedly, we, along with so many other high-priced Sun Belt cities, were on the leading edge of housing price climbs. We also lead when prices reversed course. I also readily admit that we haven’t seen the end of declining values. But here is what I am seeing locally.
- Buyer demand for the “affordable” segment is fierce. Multiple offers are back with a vengeance.
- Buyers are out there, and they are ready to buy. Many, having tired of the short-sale waiting game and having “lost” a few opportunities in multiple offer situations, are now coming to the showing loaded for bear. Sure, we still see offers on a $600,000 property coming in at “$17.95 and seller to pay closing costs,” but these are fewer. Mostly, we are seeing serious buyers willing to a offer a price more on par with today’s value and less based on anticipated value next June with contingencies factored in for a terrorist strike, another potato famine, and an unexpected direct hit from an incoming asteroid.
- Sellers are generally more realistic. I am seeing less fear of the market and more acceptance – which is leading to more appropriate pricing.
Short-sales and foreclosures, or “bank-controlled” sales, are still a growing segment of even our local Scripps Ranch market, and they continue to set the tone, but based on the competition we are seeing for these, I think we may be dipping our toes in the shallow water now. And we are seeing a positive phenomenon occurring. Move-up buyers and sellers are reappearing.
Recently, Steve and I were discussing the importance of the move-up buyer in a recovery. We believe they hold the key. When a buyer purchases a bank-controlled home, it is a notch in the old sales statistics belt, but it is a dead end of sorts. The seller will not be buying another, not at least any time soon. But these days, a listing agent need only begin his MLS remarks with “Not a short-sale!” and it’s like firing a starting gun. I know. One of our listings this weekend had 17 showings and four offers in 12 hours. Three of the four offers I know were from buyers who just wanted to be done after having wasted too much time and too many contracts on distress sales which didn’t pan out. Now the seller will buy another. In the traditional sales we will find our recovery.
As a final anecdotal note, Steve sat an open house on one of our listings yesterday, and this home happens to be in the higher price segment. He confessed to losing count but estimated that he had 25 groups through, most motivated and most serious. Even as he was removing his signs at the end of the day, people driving by were flagging him down with questions about the neighborhood and values and inventory.
Most everyone (myself included) believes that we are in for an “L” shaped recovery. When we get to the bottom, we will spend awhile there. When we will get there, however, remains the question. I may be wrong, but at least this past week in San Diego, it sure didn’t feel like 1929. We were leaders on the way down. Maybe we will be leaders in finding that shallow water.








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Hi Kris ~
Things are horrible in Boise too.
Two listings sold at or above full price and two new listings in the first 17 days of 2009.
And, two more listings with ample activity that will likely sell within the next week or two.
I am having great difficult remaining negative and it very distressing.
But, just when I think things are going well, I read that the rate of foreclosures has tripled in the last five minutes.
Life is just plain awful!
How similar do you feel the current market is compared to say 1993 or 1994? We had an “L” shaped market then where the flat part lasted for 5-6 years. Seems to me like a complete replay of that market.
Ross – I asked Kris to let me take shot at your question. There are several big differences between the current market and that which existed from1990-1995. Back then the primary culprits included an oversupply of homes concurrent with the large defense related layoffs in San Diego. Within a relatively short period of 15-20 months there were about 75,000 pink slips handed out to employees of General Dynamics and their sub-contractors. The negative multiplier effect added many more. The median price started dropping (in San Diego) in 1990 ( -1.2%) and then dropped in 1992 (-1.8%), 1993 (-4.5%), 1994 (-1.7%), 1995 (-3.7%) and 1996 (-0.5%) before recovering and flourishing for the next 10 years.
Conversely, the current adjustment was not business cycle driven but simply a result of prices getting way to far ahead of where they should have been. As we now know, much of the demand was created by the availability of loans that should not have been made. Of course, now we find ourselves in a situation where the retrenchment of prices is so steep (much steeper than the early ’90’s) that it has resulted in a recession. In the early ’90’s it was just the opposite. However, having said all that, you may be correct (timeframe-wise) in that the market has been adjusting for about 3 years now and it will likely take another year (or two) to reach stabilization, in general.
What is your basis for estimating a “year (or two)” stabilization time period? ObamaNation? Bailouts? About 5-6 years ago I was invited to speak to numerous N. Co., South Co., etc. real estate assocs. about the real estate mkt. and what I saw from a BK lawyer’s standpoint. If there were 3 rows of 10 agents I told them, look to your left, look to your right, in a few years one whole row will be gone. Now I can safely say 2 rows are gone. They stopped inviting me to speak but I’m still filing the BKs for a TON of those agents who now know what I saw and drank the koolaid. The pipes will not be flushed on this for 5-10 years, at a minimum! The fact is that the economy caused the real estate recession in the 90s. The housing bubble is causing the economic depression now. Whistle past the graveyard if you will. . .
BKlawyer – No one really knows for sure how long it will take to unwind this mess. We have no more of a crystal ball than you or anyone else. Statistics are trailing indicators reveal present trends, and we derive our opinions from those trends. Being in the trenches also gives us an intuitive feel for the market action at the moment and over a recent period, which may provide a glimpse of the future.
Kris simply and accurately reported what we are seeing every day in the trenches (and have been seeing for several months, now); a feeding frenzy for the entry level products in the many markets we work, but primarily the I-15 corridor, that is reminscent of 2003-2005. Most of the homes our clients are competing for are short sale or banked-owned, having lost a tremendous amount of value as a result of the market adjustment. Obviously, there are many who have been on the sidelines for years waiting and who now perceive value, as we are regularly (every day) running into multiple offers and homes selling for over list price. Does this mean the adjustment period is over? No, especially for the higher priced product segments, which are still flushing out. But it does suggest that a floor is being formed which, like in the stock market, is a necessary step to the next level – stabilization.
If what we are seeing continues, watch the sales statistics in the months ahead for San Diego and I think they will reveal evidence confirming that 2009 will the transitional year of the current cycle.
We couldn’t agree more with you regarding the over-population of agents. The licensing bar remains too low and we are going through a necessary RIF (reduction in forces) that is filtering out many of those (and, IMHO, there are many), who shouldn’t be practicing anyway.
Thanks for your comments.
Can someone comment about Carmel Mountain area? I’m always puzzled by why this area is relatively “depressed” with its real estate. According to the demorgraphics, its per capita income is above its neighbors such as Rancho Penasquitos. The percentage with college degree or above is about the same (both slightly over 50%). Carmel Mountain has convenient shopping and is near multiple golf courses. Both are in Poway school district. But if you look at the real estate price, it’s below Rancho Panasquitos. I always wonder why. Can someone shed some light on this? What factor or factors depress the real estate price it this area? Thanks in advance.
Yan – Interesting observations about Carmel Mountain. I will do a little digging and give you my two-cents in a post later in the weekend.