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		<title>By: Los Angeles Times drops the Sunday Real Estate section &#124; Arizona Real Estate Notebook</title>
		<link>http://sandiegohomeblog.com/2008/07/31/yesterdays-newspaper/comment-page-1/#comment-159684</link>
		<dc:creator>Los Angeles Times drops the Sunday Real Estate section &#124; Arizona Real Estate Notebook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A Realtor in Scripps Ranch, California explains it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kris Berg</title>
		<link>http://sandiegohomeblog.com/2008/07/31/yesterdays-newspaper/comment-page-1/#comment-159646</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris Berg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J - I was going to just edit, but for some reason my ability to edit comments went AWOL with my last Wordpress update. I agonized over the decision, and I really enjoy the banter and divergent points of view, but we were starting to be nothing but a free platform for promoting a competitor, and that quite obviously is not what this blog is all about. It wasn&#039;t the comment I objected to so much as the link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J &#8211; I was going to just edit, but for some reason my ability to edit comments went AWOL with my last Wordpress update. I agonized over the decision, and I really enjoy the banter and divergent points of view, but we were starting to be nothing but a free platform for promoting a competitor, and that quite obviously is not what this blog is all about. It wasn&#8217;t the comment I objected to so much as the link.</p>
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		<title>By: Jakob</title>
		<link>http://sandiegohomeblog.com/2008/07/31/yesterdays-newspaper/comment-page-1/#comment-159643</link>
		<dc:creator>Jakob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, you deleted my last comment.  I appreciate your posts so I will take the praising the competition talk elsewhere...  My mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, you deleted my last comment.  I appreciate your posts so I will take the praising the competition talk elsewhere&#8230;  My mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Hoover</title>
		<link>http://sandiegohomeblog.com/2008/07/31/yesterdays-newspaper/comment-page-1/#comment-159631</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Hoover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 04:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow - I am impressed!
Redfin is expanding to THREE agents in SD?
Living proof they are doing well ::</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow &#8211; I am impressed!<br />
Redfin is expanding to THREE agents in SD?<br />
Living proof they are doing well ::</p>
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		<title>By: Smithers</title>
		<link>http://sandiegohomeblog.com/2008/07/31/yesterdays-newspaper/comment-page-1/#comment-159624</link>
		<dc:creator>Smithers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 20:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You need &quot;people&quot; - and I need a full-time editor (you were kind to only fix one extra ...).  Thanks for the &quot;relatively balanced&quot; comments part, too.  Maybe this one will not be seen that way, so I promise I will make it up to you with a highly pro (full-price) realtor(R) comment at a later date.

Discount brokers may not be new, but the ability to point and click one&#039;s way to more and more pertinent information is very much a new thing, and will just get better and more thorough. While I don&#039;t see myself using Redfin as a broker, I do think they have a more buyer-useful website than any broker site I have seen.  I have yet to see any broker site provide past sales, tax assessment and (most useful of all) recent nearby comps (broken in $/ft) info like Redfin does.  Why does it take a &quot;discount broker&quot; to provide the best information?

By the way, the &quot;Real Estate&quot; section in today&#039;s San Jose Mercury News (another dying paper) has a full cover page illustration of a Realtor(R) sitting on a cheap suticase, head burried in hands, &quot;House for Sale&quot; and &quot;Open House&quot; signs lying at his feet.  Large Print (take up whole upper half of page) states&quot; REALTOR WOES&quot;.  The smaller print at the bottom says &quot;Owners aren&#039;t the only ones feeling the pinch in a sagging market&quot;.

I did not notice at first, but the whole section is an &quot;Advertising Section&quot;.  The accompanying article is a pity-puff piece on realtor(R) woes.  

Notable: &quot;At the pinnacle of the market ... [NAR] boasted a total membership of 1.37 million licensed Realtors&quot;.  Says that is &quot;nearly one Realtor for every 110 Americans&quot;.  Goes on to state that number is down by nearly a tenth.  Then comes my favorite part:

&quot;Why?  Perhaps it has something to do with a sense of misplaced anger among homeowners toward those they see as part of the problem.  It&#039;s natural to feel bitter toward the person you may feel helped arrange a frustrating situation.&quot;

Normally, I would toss my Cherios reading such condescending tripe.  But, I had already seen the &quot;advertising section&quot; (in small print) and was able to keep my breakfast in tact for bodily processing.

I put the section in the &quot;snail mail&quot; to you and Steve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need &#8220;people&#8221; &#8211; and I need a full-time editor (you were kind to only fix one extra &#8230;).  Thanks for the &#8220;relatively balanced&#8221; comments part, too.  Maybe this one will not be seen that way, so I promise I will make it up to you with a highly pro (full-price) realtor(R) comment at a later date.</p>
<p>Discount brokers may not be new, but the ability to point and click one&#8217;s way to more and more pertinent information is very much a new thing, and will just get better and more thorough. While I don&#8217;t see myself using Redfin as a broker, I do think they have a more buyer-useful website than any broker site I have seen.  I have yet to see any broker site provide past sales, tax assessment and (most useful of all) recent nearby comps (broken in $/ft) info like Redfin does.  Why does it take a &#8220;discount broker&#8221; to provide the best information?</p>
<p>By the way, the &#8220;Real Estate&#8221; section in today&#8217;s San Jose Mercury News (another dying paper) has a full cover page illustration of a Realtor(R) sitting on a cheap suticase, head burried in hands, &#8220;House for Sale&#8221; and &#8220;Open House&#8221; signs lying at his feet.  Large Print (take up whole upper half of page) states&#8221; REALTOR WOES&#8221;.  The smaller print at the bottom says &#8220;Owners aren&#8217;t the only ones feeling the pinch in a sagging market&#8221;.</p>
<p>I did not notice at first, but the whole section is an &#8220;Advertising Section&#8221;.  The accompanying article is a pity-puff piece on realtor(R) woes.  </p>
<p>Notable: &#8220;At the pinnacle of the market &#8230; [NAR] boasted a total membership of 1.37 million licensed Realtors&#8221;.  Says that is &#8220;nearly one Realtor for every 110 Americans&#8221;.  Goes on to state that number is down by nearly a tenth.  Then comes my favorite part:</p>
<p>&#8220;Why?  Perhaps it has something to do with a sense of misplaced anger among homeowners toward those they see as part of the problem.  It&#8217;s natural to feel bitter toward the person you may feel helped arrange a frustrating situation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Normally, I would toss my Cherios reading such condescending tripe.  But, I had already seen the &#8220;advertising section&#8221; (in small print) and was able to keep my breakfast in tact for bodily processing.</p>
<p>I put the section in the &#8220;snail mail&#8221; to you and Steve.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris Berg</title>
		<link>http://sandiegohomeblog.com/2008/07/31/yesterdays-newspaper/comment-page-1/#comment-159621</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris Berg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;please replace &quot;like&quot; with &quot;thinks&quot;

OK, Smithers, done. I also mentally added an &quot;e&quot; to &quot;forgoing&quot; while I was at it. :)

You are right. If it wasn&#039;t Redfin, it would be someone else, and it has always been so. Discount and limited services brokers are nothing new. They will always exist and there will always be some market for their services (Jakob). 

I always enjoy your relatively balanced comments, by the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;please replace &#8220;like&#8221; with &#8220;thinks&#8221;</p>
<p>OK, Smithers, done. I also mentally added an &#8220;e&#8221; to &#8220;forgoing&#8221; while I was at it. <img src='http://sandiegohomeblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You are right. If it wasn&#8217;t Redfin, it would be someone else, and it has always been so. Discount and limited services brokers are nothing new. They will always exist and there will always be some market for their services (Jakob). </p>
<p>I always enjoy your relatively balanced comments, by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Smithers</title>
		<link>http://sandiegohomeblog.com/2008/07/31/yesterdays-newspaper/comment-page-1/#comment-159612</link>
		<dc:creator>Smithers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 23:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please replace &quot;like&quot; with &quot;thinks&quot;

(as I said about the lack of brain power ...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please replace &#8220;like&#8221; with &#8220;thinks&#8221;</p>
<p>(as I said about the lack of brain power &#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Smithers</title>
		<link>http://sandiegohomeblog.com/2008/07/31/yesterdays-newspaper/comment-page-1/#comment-159611</link>
		<dc:creator>Smithers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 23:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;(and not for the reasons Smithers like I might)&quot;

Now Kris, I closed with &quot;(probably not&quot;)&quot; because I know that you and Steve would not take pleasure (at least in public) in the misfortune of others, even those nasty, vilifying (former) newspaper people.

Steve, I suspect the number of affiliated agents or prior closings or whatever for a &quot;buyer&#039;s side&quot; agent is not important to Jakob, but he can speak for himself.  I would speculate that he has done all his homework on selection and pricing, and views the &quot;value&quot; of an agent at 1% of his purchase price instead of 3% (or thereabouts), even though he also knows he will get less &quot;service&quot;.  

Jakob may miss something that an experienced agent may have spotted and pointed out to him that would have caused him pay less or pass altogether on the house (i.e., saved his bacon), but that is unlikely.  And, let&#039;s face it, the tract record of realtors(Rs) &quot;saving peoples&#039; bacon&quot; over the last several years has been less than stellar (yes, I know, many exceptions).  Instead, it&#039;s been all about the closings.

I can see where having an experienced agent would be important for most people for selling, and for many people (e.g., my parents), it is also would be very important for buying.  But, not for all people, especially with all the information that is available on web sites like (sorry, got to say it) Redfin (e.g., previous purchace price, tx assessments, nearby actual sales comps are good stuff).

Redfin may well fail, but there will be others like it until someone finally gets it right.

(The forgoing opinion is just that; no real expertise or brain power was involved).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;(and not for the reasons Smithers like I might)&#8221;</p>
<p>Now Kris, I closed with &#8220;(probably not&#8221;)&#8221; because I know that you and Steve would not take pleasure (at least in public) in the misfortune of others, even those nasty, vilifying (former) newspaper people.</p>
<p>Steve, I suspect the number of affiliated agents or prior closings or whatever for a &#8220;buyer&#8217;s side&#8221; agent is not important to Jakob, but he can speak for himself.  I would speculate that he has done all his homework on selection and pricing, and views the &#8220;value&#8221; of an agent at 1% of his purchase price instead of 3% (or thereabouts), even though he also knows he will get less &#8220;service&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Jakob may miss something that an experienced agent may have spotted and pointed out to him that would have caused him pay less or pass altogether on the house (i.e., saved his bacon), but that is unlikely.  And, let&#8217;s face it, the tract record of realtors(Rs) &#8220;saving peoples&#8217; bacon&#8221; over the last several years has been less than stellar (yes, I know, many exceptions).  Instead, it&#8217;s been all about the closings.</p>
<p>I can see where having an experienced agent would be important for most people for selling, and for many people (e.g., my parents), it is also would be very important for buying.  But, not for all people, especially with all the information that is available on web sites like (sorry, got to say it) Redfin (e.g., previous purchace price, tx assessments, nearby actual sales comps are good stuff).</p>
<p>Redfin may well fail, but there will be others like it until someone finally gets it right.</p>
<p>(The forgoing opinion is just that; no real expertise or brain power was involved).</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Berg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Berg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J - I&#039;m disappointed! I would have guessed that you, of all people would have done your due diligence. In deciding to work with Redfin (or any agent) one should first ask them for their numbers for at least the past year (closed escrows, representing both buyers and sellers). We voluntarily provide this information to all of our client&#039;s, right out of the MLS, so there is no BS about them. But if all you consider important is a commission rebate, why worry about their experience?

Expanding in San Diego? Once you see their numbers, you can decide for yourself if that is a valid perception. Of course, Kris and I are always looking to add another good agent. I guess that means we are expanding in SD, too. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J &#8211; I&#8217;m disappointed! I would have guessed that you, of all people would have done your due diligence. In deciding to work with Redfin (or any agent) one should first ask them for their numbers for at least the past year (closed escrows, representing both buyers and sellers). We voluntarily provide this information to all of our client&#8217;s, right out of the MLS, so there is no BS about them. But if all you consider important is a commission rebate, why worry about their experience?</p>
<p>Expanding in San Diego? Once you see their numbers, you can decide for yourself if that is a valid perception. Of course, Kris and I are always looking to add another good agent. I guess that means we are expanding in SD, too. <img src='http://sandiegohomeblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jakob</title>
		<link>http://sandiegohomeblog.com/2008/07/31/yesterdays-newspaper/comment-page-1/#comment-159600</link>
		<dc:creator>Jakob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have any numbers on Redfin, it&#039;s purely anecdotal.  I actually just entered escrow on a house using Redfin.  

2 of their agents I worked with had just joined, and one mentioned that Redfin is looking to hire another agent in San Diego.  They definitely seem to be expanding their presence here.

Maybe someone with MLS access could actually get numbers on how many they sell and buy here?  That would actually be really interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have any numbers on Redfin, it&#8217;s purely anecdotal.  I actually just entered escrow on a house using Redfin.  </p>
<p>2 of their agents I worked with had just joined, and one mentioned that Redfin is looking to hire another agent in San Diego.  They definitely seem to be expanding their presence here.</p>
<p>Maybe someone with MLS access could actually get numbers on how many they sell and buy here?  That would actually be really interesting.</p>
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