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		<title>By: Should you rent or sell your Phoenix area property today? &#124; Phoenix Area Real Estate Blog</title>
		<link>http://sandiegohomeblog.com/2007/11/09/what-goes-down-must-come-up/comment-page-1/#comment-161009</link>
		<dc:creator>Should you rent or sell your Phoenix area property today? &#124; Phoenix Area Real Estate Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 04:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the last week, Kelley Kohler and Steve Berg each wrote well thought out articles regarding the merits (or lack thereof) of renting a home [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Berg</title>
		<link>http://sandiegohomeblog.com/2007/11/09/what-goes-down-must-come-up/comment-page-1/#comment-142485</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Berg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John - I&#039;d like to think that it&#039;s not about the agent and their commission, but you may have a point. Regardless, it has got to be tough to acknowledge when one is wrong. We would all like to think we are right. One of the most important and valuable assets we should be bringing to the table on behalf of our clients is objectivity. Of course, it is up to the client to decide to use that asset or not. Sadly, many are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John &#8211; I&#8217;d like to think that it&#8217;s not about the agent and their commission, but you may have a point. Regardless, it has got to be tough to acknowledge when one is wrong. We would all like to think we are right. One of the most important and valuable assets we should be bringing to the table on behalf of our clients is objectivity. Of course, it is up to the client to decide to use that asset or not. Sadly, many are not.</p>
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		<title>By: John Wake</title>
		<link>http://sandiegohomeblog.com/2007/11/09/what-goes-down-must-come-up/comment-page-1/#comment-142475</link>
		<dc:creator>John Wake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really a great post!  I guess everyone can write in your family.

I think a lot of the reason people decide to rent, or threaten to their agent that they will rent, is pure emotions.

It&#039;s not rational in my opinion. The odds of the strategy succeeding are very low given the direction of the market.  

Their reaction is emotion presented as a reasonable financial strategy.

Their reaction is really, &quot;If I can&#039;t be quarterback, I&#039;m going to take my football and go home,&quot; &quot;If you don&#039;t do what I say, I&#039;m going to hold my breath and you&#039;ll be sorry when I&#039;m dead.&quot;  

The world doesn&#039;t care about their problems.

The rational adult will be disappointed in the price but he will figure out that in a declining market the sooner you sell the better.

I think there is also an element of sub-surface anger towards Realtors in the strategy.  The seller is in pain. He would be happier if others were also feeling pain.  They certainly don&#039;t want their Realtor making money when they feel so bad and are &quot;losing&quot; money (that is, netting a smaller fortune than they wanted). 

Those people would rather hurt themselves than see their agent make money or &quot;give away&quot; their home to a someone.

The wild exaggeration of, &quot;I don&#039;t want to give it away&quot; shows you the out of control, childish emotions involved. 

Renting when you can&#039;t get &quot;your price&quot; is a totally self-destruction, childish response.

It&#039;s not a strategy.  It&#039;s a tantrum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really a great post!  I guess everyone can write in your family.</p>
<p>I think a lot of the reason people decide to rent, or threaten to their agent that they will rent, is pure emotions.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not rational in my opinion. The odds of the strategy succeeding are very low given the direction of the market.  </p>
<p>Their reaction is emotion presented as a reasonable financial strategy.</p>
<p>Their reaction is really, &#8220;If I can&#8217;t be quarterback, I&#8217;m going to take my football and go home,&#8221; &#8220;If you don&#8217;t do what I say, I&#8217;m going to hold my breath and you&#8217;ll be sorry when I&#8217;m dead.&#8221;  </p>
<p>The world doesn&#8217;t care about their problems.</p>
<p>The rational adult will be disappointed in the price but he will figure out that in a declining market the sooner you sell the better.</p>
<p>I think there is also an element of sub-surface anger towards Realtors in the strategy.  The seller is in pain. He would be happier if others were also feeling pain.  They certainly don&#8217;t want their Realtor making money when they feel so bad and are &#8220;losing&#8221; money (that is, netting a smaller fortune than they wanted). </p>
<p>Those people would rather hurt themselves than see their agent make money or &#8220;give away&#8221; their home to a someone.</p>
<p>The wild exaggeration of, &#8220;I don&#8217;t want to give it away&#8221; shows you the out of control, childish emotions involved. </p>
<p>Renting when you can&#8217;t get &#8220;your price&#8221; is a totally self-destruction, childish response.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a strategy.  It&#8217;s a tantrum.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Berg</title>
		<link>http://sandiegohomeblog.com/2007/11/09/what-goes-down-must-come-up/comment-page-1/#comment-141923</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Berg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh and Jeff - Thanks for the comments. In addition to the strictly financial considerations, there are certainly more items to consider. The reality of the administrative and physical impacts of becoming a first time landlord can be easily underestimated. If their timing assumption for the market is in error, they could be stuck for a while. 

Tara - Having a client who just relocated here ( to San Diego) from the Tampa Bay area, I can better appreciate your comment. Interestingly, in SD, many potential buyers are now renting while they are trying to time the market, resulting in a fairly healthy rental market with relatively low vacancoes and rents on the increase. The recent fires have further increased the rental demand.

Sven - Good to hear from you, again. We both agree that supply/demand forces will eventually have their way, regardless of what anybody says. As rents increase and sale prices moderate more and more buyers will find their comfort zone to proceed with their purchase. Until then, the reduced demand will continue to pull on pricing, which, as you say, has been stubbornly resisting the market dynamics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh and Jeff &#8211; Thanks for the comments. In addition to the strictly financial considerations, there are certainly more items to consider. The reality of the administrative and physical impacts of becoming a first time landlord can be easily underestimated. If their timing assumption for the market is in error, they could be stuck for a while. </p>
<p>Tara &#8211; Having a client who just relocated here ( to San Diego) from the Tampa Bay area, I can better appreciate your comment. Interestingly, in SD, many potential buyers are now renting while they are trying to time the market, resulting in a fairly healthy rental market with relatively low vacancoes and rents on the increase. The recent fires have further increased the rental demand.</p>
<p>Sven &#8211; Good to hear from you, again. We both agree that supply/demand forces will eventually have their way, regardless of what anybody says. As rents increase and sale prices moderate more and more buyers will find their comfort zone to proceed with their purchase. Until then, the reduced demand will continue to pull on pricing, which, as you say, has been stubbornly resisting the market dynamics.</p>
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		<title>By: Sven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is that volume has dropped to the lowest levels in 20 years, but prices have barely edged down compared to the unprecedented ride up. I&#039;ll agree that volume will go up at some point here, but it&#039;s only going to come when prices really start moving back towards the fundamentals. I mean people thought October 06 was bad, but volume dropped in October 07 by another 1/3. 

This is all expected. People just don&#039;t want to lower the price of their houses, and the REO&#039;s are going to have to be the driving force in the downward movement. If I were you, I&#039;d work on specializing in foreclosure purchases and pick up a lot of buyers who have been waiting for a deal. People were sitting on the sidelines the last few years waiting for prices to go down, not volume.

I was sitting on a plane recently with this guy who specializes in real estate auctions, and he&#039;s making a killing right now. He said the average sale price was 70% of the market. I can believe it looking at the listing price of the North County REO&#039;s compared to the other listings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is that volume has dropped to the lowest levels in 20 years, but prices have barely edged down compared to the unprecedented ride up. I&#8217;ll agree that volume will go up at some point here, but it&#8217;s only going to come when prices really start moving back towards the fundamentals. I mean people thought October 06 was bad, but volume dropped in October 07 by another 1/3. </p>
<p>This is all expected. People just don&#8217;t want to lower the price of their houses, and the REO&#8217;s are going to have to be the driving force in the downward movement. If I were you, I&#8217;d work on specializing in foreclosure purchases and pick up a lot of buyers who have been waiting for a deal. People were sitting on the sidelines the last few years waiting for prices to go down, not volume.</p>
<p>I was sitting on a plane recently with this guy who specializes in real estate auctions, and he&#8217;s making a killing right now. He said the average sale price was 70% of the market. I can believe it looking at the listing price of the North County REO&#8217;s compared to the other listings.</p>
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		<title>By: Tara Jacobsen</title>
		<link>http://sandiegohomeblog.com/2007/11/09/what-goes-down-must-come-up/comment-page-1/#comment-141555</link>
		<dc:creator>Tara Jacobsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post! We have one other thing that is going even worse for homeowner/landlords here in Tampa Bay. SO many others are going this route that the monthly rental fees are dropping faster than the sale prices and they are having a hard time finding tenants. 

It is one thing to say you are going to rent out your house and another to actually accomplish it! The renters are getting VERY picky about what they consider a good rental to be - price AND condition wise. Some of the repairs that they didn&#039;t want to do to sell the home are still going to be required to rent it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post! We have one other thing that is going even worse for homeowner/landlords here in Tampa Bay. SO many others are going this route that the monthly rental fees are dropping faster than the sale prices and they are having a hard time finding tenants. </p>
<p>It is one thing to say you are going to rent out your house and another to actually accomplish it! The renters are getting VERY picky about what they consider a good rental to be &#8211; price AND condition wise. Some of the repairs that they didn&#8217;t want to do to sell the home are still going to be required to rent it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well put Steve. You have a way of cutting to the chase. 

&gt;For sellers considering renting your home as an alternative to sale, be sure to consider the costs associated. Not only will you be faced with the responsibilities of being a landlord, you will likely be in a negative cash-flow position with the bonus prize of having relegated your equity to the ”dead money” pile for the next several years. If you do give up on the sale of your home thinking “it must be worth more” and rent with the expectation that you will get more a year from now, I hope you’re right, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

Makes one wonder if there isn&#039;t yet a different, more profitable alternative for these owners?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well put Steve. You have a way of cutting to the chase. </p>
<p>&gt;For sellers considering renting your home as an alternative to sale, be sure to consider the costs associated. Not only will you be faced with the responsibilities of being a landlord, you will likely be in a negative cash-flow position with the bonus prize of having relegated your equity to the ”dead money” pile for the next several years. If you do give up on the sale of your home thinking “it must be worth more” and rent with the expectation that you will get more a year from now, I hope you’re right, but I wouldn’t bet on it.</p>
<p>Makes one wonder if there isn&#8217;t yet a different, more profitable alternative for these owners?</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put.  On the seller side, &#039;waiting it out&#039; always sounds so easy.  But the costs associated with that decision tend to sneak up on you if there isn&#039;t someone like you in their corner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put.  On the seller side, &#8216;waiting it out&#8217; always sounds so easy.  But the costs associated with that decision tend to sneak up on you if there isn&#8217;t someone like you in their corner.</p>
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