Going, going…

by Steve Berg on March 1, 2007

Going, going…

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It may be the baseball term for a possible home run, but in San Diego it will likely mean a strikeout, with two outs in the bottom of the 9th, as in the possibility of keeping the Chargers football team in San Diego. And pardon me for using baseball terminology as a methaphor for a football situation as I digress for a few moments from the hectic days of real estate to revisit an issue that has divided this community for the past few years. We are on a death watch and I have a hard time just sitting back and observing it. In just about any other major city in the country, this would not be happening. In fact, most other cities would love the opportunity to have the Chargers call them “Home”.

Over just the past ten years, according to the NFL Stadium Guide, 13 new NFL stadiums have been built, all with varying degrees of public participation, usually in the form of tax increases and/or bond issues, approved by public vote. There are at least 4 more new stadiums in the planning stages, and the new Dallas Cowboys stadium is under construction in, amazingly, Arlington. The newest, in Phoenix/Glendale, hosted not only the pitiful Cardinals this past season, but also two college Bowl Championship Series (BCS) games occurred in a span of less than two weeks, among other events. So, how is it that other such cutting edge cities like Detroit, Houston or Cincinnati (no offense to any of these great cities) can get this done but San Diego can’t?  

A look back at our recent history is very revealing. Just try to remember Horton Plaza, the Convention Center and Petco Park. These are three of the largest public or public/private projects I can remember since my arrival here in 1979. It must be in the ocean water or something, but every time someone proposes to try to do something great in this town, it ends up being best described as “massive” – massive opposition (by a very vocal minority) and/or massive litigation leading to massive delays and, therefore, massive cost overruns (as compared to the pre-litigation budget). But the most important “massive”, the one that people seem to forget, is the massive success that all of these projects have become. They now represent a major part of the fabric of our community and something we should all be proud of. They were not just built for the end product, which, by the way would have been great for just that purpose, but as investment – an investment in our City. All have and continue to pay back with dividends. Increased sales tax revenues, property tax revenues, hotel taxes and, of greatest importance, the huge amount of private investment that has been and continues to be stimulated in their wake. If you haven’t been dowtown in a while, like say six months, you may not recognize it. That’s how fast it’s evolving. 

In the interest of full disclosure, I have been watching the Chargers since I was a kid growing up in St. Louis. It was in the sixties, and usually the afternoon game started at 3:00 pm midwest time. I remember so many times staring at the TV seeing the field splashed in sunshine and the fans in t-shirts, footballs flying all over the field while, in my basement rec room I would look outside and see that it was getting dark and very cold, most often with snow on the ground. I thought, “some day THAT’S where I need to be.” Out of tornado alley, out of the snow and the cold and away from mosquitos. So, yes, I’m a fan. But I also understand business.

The deal proposed by the Chargers to the City of San Diego for the Qualcomm Stadium site, while not perfect, may be one of the best deals for any NFL City yet. It needs work, but not much. This is such a no-brainer. In short (according to a San Diego Union article, Jan., 06), in return for the City providing the 166 acres of land where the current stadium sits, the Chargers and the NFL will fund the entire development, a total investment in the neighborhood of $800 million, at no cost and little or no risk to the City. This money would be generally allocated toward the stadium ($450 mil.), off-site traffic improvements ($175 mil.), an on-site parking structure ($70 mil.), demolition of the existing stadium ($5 mil.), retiring the City’s existing bond debt on the stadium ($50 mil.), plus miscellaneous, contingency, etc. They would also dedicate and improve 30 acres as park land. To obtain a return and offset the huge investment in the stadium project, the Chargers would get development rights for the remainder of the site for condonminiums, hotel, office and retail uses. All they need is the land.

Ahhh, the land. This seems to be the sticking point. I keep reading that the land is worth $500 million, as-is. The opponents of this project, no doubt many of the same ones who opposed Horton Plaza, the Convention Center and Petco Park, have seized on the land issue. “We can’t give away land worth $500 million to a private, for profit, entity!” “Let them leave town” is the attitude. The opponents would have the City sell the land to the highest bidder to help generate funds presumably to pay down the $1 Billion + liability resulting from the City pension fund fiasco. Well, for starters the land is not worth anywhere close to $500 million. It’s a great piece of dirt, but any developer considering buying it would need to consider certain acquisition costs in their proforma to determine economic feasibility - Things like inheriting a site that has a stadium that needs to be demolished, like the cost of the off-site traffic improvements, like the 30-acre dedication and improvement of parkland that would be required. Oh, and what about the outstanding bond debt the City is stuck with after the Chargers leave town? These items all adversely impact the value of the land and are offsets from the so-called “retail” cost.

Then there are the alternate sites in the County. No offense to Chula Vista and National City, but these are non-starter locations. Oceanside is a maybe, but also doubtful. What we have at the Qualcomm site is the virtual center of the population distribution of the entire County. The site is underutilized and the stadium is aging, with deteriorating infrastructure and functional obsolescence in many ways. There is a way to redevelop this site that will not only not cost the City money but will provide a long-term return on the investment…if we can get someones attention in City Hall!!

I know we have financial problems in this City, but they are totally self-inflicted by the ongoing incompetence of our so-called City leaders for the past 10-15 years. The Chargers had nothing to do with it. At a time we when have the opportunity for a huge accomplishment through a public/private partnership, no one at City Hall has the balls or the leadership skills to pull off this potentially magnificent project.

It’s all about the land. Tweak the numbers, adjust the land uses, maybe add a multi-purpose community center and playing fields to the park. Whatever. There is a way to structure the deal to provide a decent return on the value of the land to the taxpayers and make this happen. Just like Horton Plaza, the Convention Center and Petco Park, it would be a fabulous investment in our community and the returns would go far beyond financial. And it would enhance and strengthen the fabric of our City. But no one seems to be listening. It’s going, going…it’s almost…gone! How sad.

Now back to real estate stuff.     


ABOUT THE AUTHOR  Steve Berg is Broker/Owner of San Diego Castles Realty. He is an awesome agent and an all-around great guy. When he is not dazzling clients, he contributes the occasional article here.


{ 13 comments… read them below or add one }

Jeff BrownNo Gravatar March 1, 2007 at 10:28 am

Steve – Besides being dead on right, you’ve brought up the common denominator for all the projects you named. It’s this: The ‘anti’ folks who slowed all those projects costing a total of 100’s of millions, have no credibility by now, but keep doing the same thing….with great success. This is wedded to your point abut how obvious it is that Barney Fife must be the model for our sol called local government leaders.

I’ve been here since ‘67 and have observed a few axioms about San Diego.

1. No matter how large we become, we’ll always be Mayberry.

2. Because of #1 we’ll remain a fun place to go for the rest of So Cal, and not much else.

3. The SD gov’t and the County Supervisors couldn’t find their asses with two helpers, a GPS and both hands.

Nothing has changed.

Unfortunately we’ll probably be watching the L.A. Chargers pretty soon. At that point the public will realize how idiot the whole process was. Then they’ll see what happens to the land. It won’t be pretty.

Great post Steve.

Steve BergNo Gravatar March 1, 2007 at 10:53 am

Jeff: Thanks for your thoughts. One correction though. Mayberry was run much better than San Diego. I do agree with your comment regarding the ultimate fate of the land, sans the new stadium project. If there is a way to screw it up we can be assured that our City will find it.

Mark DeakinsNo Gravatar March 2, 2007 at 9:27 am

You are so wrong, giving free land to billionaires is just trading dollars from one reason to another to visit San Diego County, This region is one of the top five tourist destinations now in the United States, why change the character of our unique coastal environment. Most people watch the games from home; you want to subsidize 60,000 people entertainment choice 10 times a year at the public’s expense, most of the cities with new stadiums also left the last (old Stadium) city with massive leftover debt for years and years, and large empty monsters eyesores to pay for.

Steve BergNo Gravatar March 2, 2007 at 11:48 am

Mark: Thanks for your comment. I respectfully beg to differ with you.

“Giving free land to billionaires…”

Misinformation!! This has been an ongoing problem. If you had read my post carefully you would know that I suggested that changes are needed in the deal that would give the City a return on the value of the land. This may be accomplished in several ways – a long term ground lease or a joint venture with a preferred return to the City are just two of many ways this may be accomplished. BTW, please recall the pristine land the City pretty much gave away (or sold at wholesale prices) in Torrey Pines. Do you think that companies like Merck, Pfizer or J&J are non-profits and need to be subsidized?? Or how about The Irvine Company buying a huge chunk of Eastgate Technology Park at a discount from the City. People were screaming about those deals then. But now we have the 3rd largest concentration of biomedical companies in the nation at Torrey Pines and we have many Fortune 500 companies with campuses in Eastgate. The employment and salaries/income generated by the City “seeding” these deals has created an enormous economic engine that has tremendously and positively benefited San Diego and will continue to do so for many years to come. Tax revenues have also soared as a result of these deals.

Look at what Petco Park has done for what was the worst part of downtown San Diego. We are talking Billions of $$ in private investment and huge increases in tax revenues for the City. It is a model that most City’s would kill to be able to duplicate, but few have actually pulled it off. The Qualcomm Stadium site is a natural for this same kind of thing. I am not talking about a giveaway but a win-win.

Unfortunately, your reaction is consistent with those few vocal people who caused the delays to Horton Plaza, the Convention Center and Petco Park, resulting in many millions of dollars in cost overruns and litgation expenses at the expense of all of us taxpayers. All are now considered to be “trophy” projects that most San Diegans are proud of.

Before you fully join the ranks of the uninformed in your opposition to a new, potentially world class mixed-use project at the stadium site, you may want to consider how to make a positive contribution as to how to make it work, rather than to sit back and blindly criticize it.

ApellaNo Gravatar March 2, 2007 at 10:20 pm

Great Topic! This is the first time that I have posted here and will note your site for future reading including a link on my blog sites. I am happy to see this topic because it is on of my greatest interest and that is business.

I am also relieved to see that Detroit is not the only community that has this kind of issue, although if you really want a challenge.

I agree with you in the fact that there is much more at risk then the land issue. 500 million is not that much in business anymore and sure it is an amount that catches people ears because how many people have that amount them selves and that is why the Not In My Back Yard people use those kind of numbers. To be honest if the city was a business then 500 million is nominal amount in today’s business world. How many millionaires live in California alone, I would bet more then 500 total.

Two Ideas that automatically come to mind is first, you are right, add on additional uses for the stadium even if it means commercial or retail above the upper decks. I bet that would make for a great dinning view. Second is have the city lease the land to the company, they can barrow against the income and reduce the 500 million loss and offer an operational cost for the company. Same concept as any normal business lease back commercial deal. Once again a win – win for both parties. If worst comes to worst make a reit, bottome line is cities everywhere need to use what they have to the best that they can.

The question that you so well bring to light is Return On Investment for the community.

Keep up the great topics I will be enjoying them!

Jonathan DaltonNo Gravatar March 4, 2007 at 4:39 pm

Hey, Steve … there are no Arizona State Wildcats. The University of Arizona Wildcats, evil empire in training, plays in Arizona Stadium in Tucson. The Arizona State University Sun Devils, representative of all that is right, play in Sun Devil Stadium in Tempe. ASU didn’t move to the new stadium and, hopefully, never will.

(Not hard to tell from which school I graduated, huh?)

Steve BergNo Gravatar March 4, 2007 at 8:55 pm

Jonathan – Thank you for pointing out my very stupid mistake. Inexcusable!! The post has been revised to make reference only to the pitiful Cardinals and the BCS games. Go Sun Devils!!

Apella – You’re right that it’s all about ROI, but on behalf of the taxpayers we also need to be concerned about risk. How to manage/reduce risk, yet maximize returns and still attract the huge amount of capital that this project requires is the question of the hour. The answer is out there…

Jay - Phoenix Real Estate GuyNo Gravatar March 12, 2007 at 12:03 pm

Great post Steve. The new stadium here was the subject of much controversy and debate. How it wound up on Dalton’s side of town is beyond me. But there is no doubt that it’s generating revenue by the boatload for the area.

As for the reference to the pitiful Cardinals, well, you’re right. They stink. The owner is a fool. Nice stadium though. Resulted in the first Cardinal sell outs in… ages (ever?). And it’s going to be the home of the Superbowl next year. Maybe the Cardinals will go to the Superbowl and have home field advantage? Yeah, when pigs fly….

As for the Dallas Plowboys, they never actually played in Dallas. Texas Stadium is located in Irving. As for their new stadium, I can only wish it was located on the Pacific ocean floor.

Steve BergNo Gravatar March 12, 2007 at 12:45 pm

Jay – Sorry about the “pitiful” comment. My opinion was shaped many years ago after growing up in St. Louis and watching the “Big Red” as they were known there. Even then, Bidwell was an a**hole. Before taking the Cardinals west, among many other stupid decisions, he fired Don Coryell, if you can believe that. Bidwell does nothing but tarnish what otherwise is a gorgeous new stadium you have. He doesn’t deserve it.

Brian BradyNo Gravatar March 21, 2007 at 10:49 pm

Steve,

As a misplaced fan of the pitiful Cardinals and Sun Devils, I can tell you that the new stadium in AZ is a hit. I went over for the Bears game and what that stadium did for Glendale can happen in Oceanside.

Oceanside makes so much sense for the site because of the train hookup and proximity to Orange County. I’m sure that you and Jeff will want the Q site (and it ain’t bad) but I think the Bolts could touch ‘em all (to use a baseball term) in O-side.

As for the Bidwell family, well…well…I’ll refrain from the expletives

Steve BergNo Gravatar March 22, 2007 at 8:48 am

Brian,

The sad thing is that we have had so many problems with our local government (the City of SD) that they have lost all credibility the locals (understandably). Now, when we have the opportunity to get a world class development, no one has the huevo’s to lead. I agree that Oceanside would be a tantalizing location when considering its relative location in SoCal, but I am still hoping and holding out for the current Q site.

I would love to see a game at your new stadium, but when Bidwell took the Big Red and left St. Louis, I made a pledge to never give the bastard another penny.

Brian BradyNo Gravatar March 23, 2007 at 6:28 am

>I made a pledge to never give the bastard another penny

I am about to join your club; Go Chargers

Steve BergNo Gravatar March 23, 2007 at 7:55 am

Brian,

Agreed. At least for the time they remain in SD County, which may not be too long.

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